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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:11 am

Lutz wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:34 am
Not really offtopic:
Of course, the CPU is the most important thing about a PC, but it needs more, really important and reliable things:

1st The power supply
No electronics work properly if the power supply is not really reliable. You can't save any money here. Not at the power supply, not at the connectors.
A connector for rechargeable accumulators alone is not enough. There should also be (configurable) charging electronics and (configurable) power management.
Some customers need a large rechargeable battery for independent operation.
Other customers (like me) only need a small battery to automatically shut down Windows after switching off the main power supply.
In my eyes this is an important selling point, which should be promoted and documented from the beginning.

2nd The display
I don't know how many customers want to connect a "real" monitor.
As a development engineer for small series devices, I need touch LCDs for direct installation in my machines.
These LCDs must be mechanically easy to mount and I need them from 3.5 to 15 inches, all as a capacitive touch.
Maybe you can't make as much money selling these LCDs, but for me as a customer it's very pleasant to buy CPU and touch screen together because I can be sure that both will work together.
For my applications the computing power of the "old" LattePanda is completely sufficient... but I need different and inexpensive LCDs
To offer LCDs suitable for the LattePanda (old and new types) would be sales-promoting at least for me.

3rd The software
As a hardware developer, I don't want to be bothered with software licenses.
I would like to buy a PC with a license and not have to think about operating system licenses.
... and also not about any configurations.
That this is more expensive than just the hardware is clear to me.
But I would also like to have a certain selection of operating systems.
For example "Windows10 Pro" for big tasks and "Windows IoT" (or whatever) for small machine controls.
Personally, I'm not interested in Linux or other operating systems, but for them there are certainly enough customers who would prefer an "out of the box" system.

Oh yes, the drivers...
Simply supply drivers for every function of the external pins right from the start.
So that everyone can use for example the I2C interface or the UART of the CPU (NOT the Arduino!) from C#/C++/VB.

I apologize for the long text, but in my eyes it was unfortunately necessary this time.
Yours sincerely
Lutz

(Translated from German by https://www.deepl.com/ )
@Lutz, really meaningful points for LattePanda first gen product feature. And you can see some improves on Alpha edition, like supporting Lipo battery feature and Windows Pro on Delta and Alpha both. We are making some changes as you've seen. Appreciate for your top to bottom concept for this topic! I will definitely share with our product team!
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:13 am

ccs_hello wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:01 pm
My 0.02.
Z83xx series is BayTrail and in the first round Intel really getting into ATOM family.
It is a big success and at the same time came with the "first year new car" type of issues.
This has long been replaced with newer ATOM generations and reflect the current super-cheap price.
I would also check its EOL and orderable date.

P.S. a low spec tablet (includes a 10" LCD, 2GB RAM, 32 GB eMMC, Z83xx CPU/APU, ans Win 10 Home license) can be as low as $80, factory new. In my new, it's in fire sale phase.
Dear ccs_hello, Right. So do you have any suggestion or idea for further LattePanda roadmap from your personal professional perspective?
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:30 am

It's part sourcing issue.
After refinement, Intel in recent ATOM generations had done a great job almost competing head to head directly with its own main stream CORE product line (and hurt itself.) That's why you see recent adjustment on ATOM roadmap and few certain products will no longer (or delayed) have future (discontinued.)
Quite a few of those CPU's price is right, and almost reaching the CORE tier. That's what I would bet.
P.S. I do like m3-7Y30 in LP Alpha (since it's CORE). However, I will have to watch my wallet carefully. Can't drain my hard earned money that way. If you want success, try recent ATOM and offer low, reasonable price.
(Hint use Gigabyte Brix-S J5105 as an example.)

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:21 am

ccs_hello wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:30 am
It's part sourcing issue.
After refinement, Intel in recent ATOM generations had done a great job almost competing head to head directly with its own main stream CORE product line (and hurt itself.) That's why you see recent adjustment on ATOM roadmap and few certain products will no longer (or delayed) have future (discontinued.)
Quite a few of those CPU's price is right, and almost reaching the CORE tier. That's what I would bet.
P.S. I do like m3-7Y30 in LP Alpha (since it's CORE). However, I will have to watch my wallet carefully. Can't drain my hard earned money that way. If you want success, try recent ATOM and offer low, reasonable price.
(Hint use Gigabyte Brix-S J5105 as an example.)
Will do!
I think this is a really meaningful topic for complete LattePanda community. It's open for everyone. Please feel free to shoot your opinion anytime here.
Thanks for all your great suggestions.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:38 pm

LattePanda wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:39 am
Interesting. Let us brainstorm for further ideas.

So, let us list the products released now:
1. LattePanda - Entry level - Up to $89
Let's talk about this:

The so called entry level:
We're are talking about a Windows machine, no a Linux nor an Android. Having 4GB of RAM or less is uphill for a lot of projects.

In less than 2 minutes I got 46% of RAM usage of the Top of line of the Entry level:
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This means that at least, 92% in the 2GB version, the real entry level. I have not anything installed nor a service running (except for the snipping tool), this is the Windows x64 behavior in a computer in idle.
LattePanda wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:39 am
And the next question is the Linux support on Atom series is not that good as Gemini lake series. That's another small problem in my view.
If we are going to talk about Linux support, we're going to jump to another topic, just check this https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2/
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:39 am
BTW, I highly recommend to define a new product name for this idea! Coz Beta is kind of unreliable version... Haha! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look forward to your reply!
Yeah, I know, I was thinking in the developer preview of Windows 8 that had a little fish, in my country we call it Beta. Another name could be something like Gargantua o whatever you want, that's up to you 8-)

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Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:42 pm

Lutz wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:34 am

I apologize for the long text, but in my eyes it was unfortunately necessary this time.
Yours sincerely
Lutz

(Translated from German by https://www.deepl.com/ )
Thanks Lutz, you truly understand me and what I want to express. If we are going to use a "hackable windows machine" it must run better than a potato.

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Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:42 am

Diomedes1905 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:42 pm
Lutz wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:34 am

I apologize for the long text, but in my eyes it was unfortunately necessary this time.
Yours sincerely
Lutz

(Translated from German by https://www.deepl.com/ )
Thanks Lutz, you truly understand me and what I want to express. If we are going to use a "hackable windows machine" it must run better than a potato.
After talking with the product team, I think we will kick-off a real project for some of good ideas provided by u and Lutz. The key target is still upgrading the entry level model to be better and maintain the basic feature and layout of the original version.

Then my question will be. Would you guys help to give a good name for this upgraded model? 8-) 8-) 8-)
Coz, after extending our product line from a LattePanda board to a LattePanda series products, people have troubles to talk about the 1st generation product, like we need to call it 1st gen LattePanda board, which is not good.

We've decided to make some changes and a better name for upgraded name will be necessary in my view.

BTW, the upgraded model won't bring any feature or layout conflict compared with current product design to avoid troubles for business partners.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:29 am

LattePanda wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:42 am

(...)
Then my question will be. Would you guys help to give a good name for this upgraded model? 8-) 8-) 8-)
(...)
I call myself a "damn good" PCB designer and a good microcontroller programmer, but "communication" and "marketing" are really NOT my core compentence :lol: :lol:
Sorry ;)

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OK, maybe an idea after all:
Something that reflects the approach of the modular system or expandability.

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Lutz wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:29 am
I call myself a "damn good" PCB designer and a good microcontroller programmer, but "communication" and "marketing" are really NOT my core compentence :lol: :lol:
Sorry ;)
You know what. People like to give themselves some tags to be different from the others. However, you CAN'T image how many power u have. 8-)
So maybe just share some ideas pop-up in your mind when u taking a shower... :oops: Maybe you will inspire the others, like your previous professional suggestions. I don't product team will 100% follow your suggestion. But there're really lots of meaningful user needs behind your conclusion in my view.

Open topic! This is just my personal opinion...Not represent LattePanda team... :P

Best,
Lauren
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:47 am

LattePanda wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:42 am
Diomedes1905 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:42 pm
Lutz wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:34 am

I apologize for the long text, but in my eyes it was unfortunately necessary this time.
Yours sincerely
Lutz

(Translated from German by https://www.deepl.com/ )
Thanks Lutz, you truly understand me and what I want to express. If we are going to use a "hackable windows machine" it must run better than a potato.
After talking with the product team, I think we will kick-off a real project for some of good ideas provided by u and Lutz. The key target is still upgrading the entry level model to be better and maintain the basic feature and layout of the original version.
Thanks a lot Lutz and you for taking the time and consider my idea.
LattePanda wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:42 am
Then my question will be. Would you guys help to give a good name for this upgraded model? 8-) 8-) 8-)
Coz, after extending our product line from a LattePanda board to a LattePanda series products, people have troubles to talk about the 1st generation product, like we need to call it 1st gen LattePanda board, which is not good.

We've decided to make some changes and a better name for upgraded name will be necessary in my view.
Here are a few names I came along:
  • LattePanda 2
  • LattePanda The Second
  • LattePanda Elongated (just for the lol)
  • LattePanda Enriched
  • LattePanda Enhanced 2
  • LattePanda Enhanced+
  • LattePanda Excelsior
  • LattePanda Quantum
  • LattePanda Forced Quantum
  • LattePanda Discovery
  • LattePanda Geronimo
  • LattePanda Ajax
  • LattePanda Armstrong
  • LattePanda DL(for me and Lutz)

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