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Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:16 pm

I'd call them the LattePanda 2 Pro / Ultra.

Keeps it simple and communicates 1) that this is an upgrade over the gen 1 LP, and 2) the relationship between the two new models.

This is assuming that you're planning two SKUs for this generation. If you're planning more SKUs, then I'd modify the model indicator (Pro/Ultra) based on how many SKUs you anticipate.

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Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm

untitled86 wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:35 pm
1) EspressoPanda - Latte's are weak drinks for weak people. Espresso has way more caffeine, makes you much faster.

2) LattePanda Mark II - Because Mark II sounds cool, and it keeps the LattePanda name. I seriously don't see why it needs to change.

...On another note, the initial boot time (from no power to when the bios logo appears) is VERY slow. In our application users aren't sure the device has turned on. This should be something that can be addressed pretty easily. Is there something I can do with the current Panda?
I think MKII is clear and nice. But we still want to explore a better name for them. :P
About the booting time, we have some ideas in mind. Let me link our team leader to talk with you for more details. They have some new design solutions for a faster booting speed for mass production cases.

About what you can do with current Panda? We're redesigning our docs for current Panda. We will appreciate if you'd like to contribute some tutorials or help us to review them in the future.

What do you think? :D
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:56 pm

alwaysintao wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:00 am
Give it (logo) one pointy tooth if you go with predator :)
Haha. We brainstormed to use a burning angry eyes for it (Logo) before...Good idea. Feel free to post more ideas about the logo also!
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:02 pm

QuiGonJ wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:15 pm
A list:

* First thing would be a BIOS battery of some kind, or just create a batch program that allows the LattePanda Mark II (I vote for this) to get the time off the network always. I eventually made it work but there was a learning curve that most non-techies would get frustrated with.
* Make sure that prototyping board extension you are working on is ready, as it would open the board up to the realm of Pi shields.
* For those of us new to this world, LP branded education kits based on various things like programming, robotics(!) and motor controllers, and internet of things integration.
* A kit for using the device as a tablet. Yes, there are 3D printed options, but an official one would be nice.
I love the idea about LattePanda EDU kit. Would you mind to share more about this EDU kit, like target user age? And how many things does it include? What's recommended programing language based on this kit on LattePanda? Why?
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:06 pm

MobileJAD wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:07 pm
I mostly use my LattePanda as a portable desktop computer for when I do my monthly trips to California.
I could drag one of my three laptops with me, but I really enjoy cool little computers. :p
If the new LattePanda comes with its own case that would be cool, but being able to access different ports or features directly on the motherboard is always great.
I never did find out if anyone was able to overclock any of the CPU's used so far by the LattePanda's so far?
Besides overclocking the CPU for self gratification, I can imagine that someone would find it useful to underclock the CPU for lower power usage and heat.
Will the CPU be on the top or bottom of the system board?
Will the new LattePanda still use 5volt 3-4 amps USB for power?
Normally I prefer a regular AC adapter than USB, like the newer generations of Odroid have dropped USB and use AC adapter instead.
But, I found a fairly pricey 24,000 mAh USB power bank that can provide 5v 3ams and can run my LattePanda quite well.
I often run my LattePanda off of battery now along with a USB powered LCD monitor, so portability is a pretty big feature for me.
Will there be anyway to directly connect a battery pack to the LattePanda? So that the LattePanda can report the battery levels to OS like a laptop or a phone can? I've only seen a few small computers like the Raspberry Pi offer this.
The last feature for me is Linux, I really really like OpenSuSE Linux, I run Linux two out of three of my Laptops, and I'm trying my hardest to move away from Windows.
Oya will the new LattePanda offer a 8GB memory option? If I remember correctly the Intel processors in this class top out at 8GB with the newer generations offering DDR4.
Anyways there is Alot of options out there for products similar to the LattePanda!
So far I'm happy with mine!
I look forward to the next generation of LattePanda!
Thank you so much about the lots of ideas and hopes for MKII. I will say, please notice our forum updates about the LattePanda MKII. We won't let you down. ;P
I will really appreciate if you can give names for them (PRO/ULTRA).
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:08 pm

LNC-SPN wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:52 am
My suggestion for naming the new LattePanda generations:

LattePanda 240 - For a mid-range version of second generation (like 4GB of RAM)
LattePanda 280 - For a high-range version of second generation (like 8GB of RAM)

If you upgrade those versions to make it more powerful, like CPU upgrade, you can call it Pro or Ultra (LattePanda 240 Pro/Ultra - LattePanda 280 Pro/Ultra)
Brillant! Use numbers to indicate the spec of the products!
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:11 pm

jasongaunt wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:03 pm
Hi LattePanda team and fans,

I've had 2x 4G32 Z8300 units for a while now. One runs Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and the other the stock Windows 10 Home install.

With exception to the wifi chip dying on the Windows one, everything has been fine :D

Despite loving this little powerhouse, there are a number of improvements that can be made, one particular bugbear of mine is the placement of the ports. I've re-purposed 2 metal (one Aluminium, one mild steel) cases now for "industrial" placement (well, my garage) and the number one issue I've always had is the placement of the RJ45 Ethernet port. If the ports were on one side alone, fabricating a case would be far easier.

Here are a list of improvements I'd recommend that would make the product a lot more desirable for system integrators and hardware hackers like myself;

Switch to the Pico-ITX format
The LattePanda board layout is already VERY close to this (88 x 70mm for the LP vs 100mm x 72mm for Pico-ITX), it makes sense to swap to this layout because it would provide the following benefits;

* A standardized layout making case design and integration easier
* All PC relevant ports would be on one (long) side making connectivity simpler
* This would push all Arduino-related ports to the other side of the board, meaning solutions using Arduino could benefit from being inside the case
* More ports can be fit on the back ;)
* Better industry acceptance, that means bigger communities and better support, plus more money for the LattePanda team and that means even more product improvements that benefit the hobbyist users like myself :)
* You can easily get Double-DIN Pico-ITX cases :)

Add a MiniPCIe or M.2 slot
There are an infinite number of expansions to be had with these;

How about a 4 port SATA adapter? Turn LP mk2. into a home NAS.
How about a 4G LTE modem with GPS and send it on a drone / into space?
How about a riser card to use a full sized PCIe card?

Providing you had a good power supply from an external source, you could add a dedicated GPU (1080 Ti? haha) to the LattePanda and turn it into a gaming platform or use CUDA for really cool things such as realtime 4K OpenCV computer vision.

Be careful that the M.2 interface you add is keyed properly, you say it'll support PCIe 4x, UART and I2C, but according to Wikipedia these are mutually exclusive and your port can only support either PCIe 4x or PCIe 2x + UART + I2C. Not both in the same port.

If it was just for SATA, it would be almost uesless, the onboard eMMC is still fairly good :)

Upgrade to 8GB RAM and Gigabit Ethernet
It goes without saying, LP is pretty good but RAM and Gigabit ethernet can be limiting factors. I've never found the processor a limiting factor, but when trying to copy large files or use more than a few tabs in Google Chrome, the unit starts to page swap and this causes it to run slower.

Add another USB 3.0 port
Having to buy an external USB 3.0 hub shouldn't be required if you wanted to plug more than one USB 3.0 capable device in. What if you're using the LP to copy files between USB 3.0 hard disks for example? :)

Add a barrel jack for power with an on-board regulator
What would be awesome would be the ability to power the LP mk2. from a wide input voltage (recommend 11v to 30v), as this would make car / truck / industrial integration easier. It also means we can supply our own power supply easier.

Add 4 pin fan support
This could be used in conjunction with the above barrel jack mod, if we could get 12V to a fan with a PWM output for speed control, we could add a good heatsink and remove the thermal throttling completely, meaning an even faster LP mk2.

Currently I power a 12V 40mm case fan from one of the 5V headers, this works fine and the fan just blows enough air, but if it ever overheated there's no fighting it. Just have to live with thermal throttling or worse (I think this is what killed my wifi chip).


As for the name? You have to be careful to choose a name that is future-proof. In 2-3 years time, will you have a mk3. LattePanda? You have to factor that in now! :)

Suggestions for mk2. and future revision boards;

* EspressoPanda (implies getting something strong, fast)
* GrandePanda (a big boy LattePanda)
* VentiPanda (a cut-down LattePanda)
* MochaPanda (a LattePanda with a different flavour / twist?)
You leaked too much features on MKII. >...<
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:15 pm

amb9800 wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:16 pm
I'd call them the LattePanda 2 Pro / Ultra.

Keeps it simple and communicates 1) that this is an upgrade over the gen 1 LP, and 2) the relationship between the two new models.

This is assuming that you're planning two SKUs for this generation. If you're planning more SKUs, then I'd modify the model indicator (Pro/Ultra) based on how many SKUs you anticipate.
We will have more SKUs. :D
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Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:53 pm

A version that could handle industrial temperatures would be fantastic so it could go from lab to installation.
A version that could also have higher end graphics as I pinned the CPU it running an intense WebGL app.
A maker board with this new Intel AMD combo looks like dynamite.
WOW...
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/6/1661 ... aptop-chip

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Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:54 am

Without further delay, let us give you a look at the new board. :D
There will be some minor changes, but this is the final form factor :)

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